The best comparative of religions: Religion and Logic

Religion and Logic

A religion compatible with good sense, intelligence, modernity, and rationally convincing?

% of annual progress in the world (1994-1995)

Judaïsme

0%

Christianity

1,46%

Islam

6,40%

% of progress in the world (over 50 years of the 20th century)

Judaïsme

-4%

Christianity

+ 47 % (Orthodoxe - 36%; Protestant +57%; Catholic +70%)

Islam

+235 % Projections ONU : In 2053 : one citizen of the earth on 2 will be born Muslim (law of birthrate) and if one applies the current rate of conversion to Islam: 60 to 70% of the world-wide population

Percentage of the world-wide population

Judaïsme

<1%

Christianity

In 2025: Christianity = 25% of the world-wide population (1980: 30%)

Islam

In 2025: Islam = 30% of the world-wide population (1980: 20%)

How do the 3 religions progress?

Judaïsme

Does not progress

Christianity

In the poor countries (Hunger, weak alphabetization rate, poverty, weak access to information.) 

The financial and technological means of christianity put at the service of evangelization (media, personal, humanitarian associations, NGO, influence groups) are of much superior amplitude to the two other religions.  The decline of the Christian religion instituted, so clear in western Europe, is not the same elsewhere.  In Nancy for example, decline in religious practice by young students (71,8 % declared themselves to be Catholic in 91, they are no longer than 55,4% in 99).  In , the weekly practice passed from 17% to 10%.  As for Latin America, it became a religious competition field: the Protestant pentecôtisme of origin north American is the first vector of it (emotional religion: enthusiastic demonstration of the faithful ones during logs orchestrated as shows. . .). 

We observe in the Christian space an hybridization of some religious forms, whether it is a matter of the re-interpretation of the protestantic healers of the orth american televangelists combined with demonologist religions and worships in central america, whether it is a matter of the development of the Brazilian Universal church of the kingdom of God, or even of the establishment of a neohindouisme in the west. 

Only the Orthodox space and specially Russian, contrary to others, has withdrewed itself to a comparatively preserved tradition.  This position replies to the necessity to define a Russian identity since the fall of communism.  (John claude ruano-borbalan - Human Sciences special edition N°May 2 June 2005)

Islam

In the most “developed” countries (strong access to information, life level...) 

Over 50 years (20th century) :

•   North America   + 25%

•   Europe                + 142,55%

•                + 257,01%

•   Africa                 + 2,15%

•   Asia                    + 12,57%

: MITA Japanese committee of study of religions to help in confronting the challenges of the 21st century chose the Islam;

: recognizes Islam as being the native religion of and Christianity as being a foreign religion

Availability of original texts

Judaïsme

What the Christian interpreters of the old and New Testaments say: divine Inspiration with affirmations that are translations of secular beliefs transmitted by the traditions (Modified in different eras). 

2.6: The paradise of the Bible have been "borrowed" from the Sumerian poem (composed towards -2800) "Enki and Ninhursag" Where the Hebraic Eden and the Sumerian Dilmun are one and the same: same rivers, same place, same suffering, same original sin

 

Christianity

To Paul belong almost the quarter of the texts of the New Testament

Paul decided of several ruptures with the Judaïsme:

No more circumcision, no more necessary filiation with Abraham, no more devotion to a land, no more obligation to eat casher and possibility to unite at the same table Jews non Jewish people, abolishes the Law since it is the carrier of Death while belief in Christ carries Salvation.

What the Christian interpreters of the old and New Testaments say: divine Inspiration with affirmations that are translations of secular beliefs transmitted by the traditions (Modified in different eras).

The canonical Gospels are not 4 independent texts but the same story wrote and rewritten with the passing of time.  Marc, which comes first, is sometimes corrected or contradicted by Mathiew.  Lucas, who succeeds them, rewrites Marc and Mathiew.  And John, who comes last, does the cleaning of the other 3 to compose his own text; example of evolution: In Marc (the 1st one) Pilate is mean and the Jews incite him to kill Jesus...  In John (the last one) Pilate became kind and defense lawyer of Jesus, who does not crucify the latter but under the very strong pressure of Jews... Which to carries more responsibility to the Jews and gives pledges of good will to the Romans (in this domain, the Romans are reassured to read in the name of Jesus "My kingdom is not of this world”)… The evolution of text is hence linked to the diplomatic evolution with respect to the Jews on one hand and Romans on the other

 

Islam

What the muslims say about the Quran: Word of God with exclusion to any human input (fixe et non-modified)

Which of the 3 religions recognizes the other 2

Judaïsme

Does not recognize the other two

Christianity

Does not recognize Islam

Islam

Recognizes the 3

Attitude with respect to science and reason

Judaïsme

Reason et faith are incompatible

Christianity

Reason and faith are incompatible. 

In Vatican I, John paul II wrote that reason and faith are the "two wings" of knowledge with which man rises towards the truth (without as much as resolving the strong incompatibilities between the holy writings and the data established by the modern science). 

Condemnation of Galileh because he declared that the earth was round

"The problem of the origins of the cosmos tracks a boundary line between the scientific thought and that of the believer. The first one questions on the “how” of the origins; for some, it concludes that the world was able to be created by itself.  For all other, the thought of believers, common to all big religions, recognizes a God creator of the universe."

Chapter 2 of the Readers’ Digest proposed at the end of the Catechisme of the Catholic church (pp.760-762) in his French edition of 1998. 

Islam

"The advice of an educated person is worth more than the prayer of 1000 persons" (Mouhammad)

"Strive to know from the cradle to the coffin… in if it is necessary " (Mouhammad)

The Quran declared that the earth was round some centuries before Galileh

Reason and faith are compatible: every reasoned theought drives every creature gifted with intelligence towards the existence of a creator

Invitations to reasoning, to thought and meditation (keywords search: Think, reason, meditate) / Extracts from the Quran: Sourate 16 (THE BEES) 10 It is Him who, from the sky, descended water that serves you as drink and thanks to which the plants, of which you nourish your flocks, grow. 

11 Of it, Hes grows for you, the cultivations, the olive trees, the palm trees, the vines and also all sorts of fruits.  Here is a fine proof for people who think

Sourate 16 (THE BEES) 44 (We sent them) with evident proofs and holy books.  And towards you, We descended the Quran, so that you expose clearly to people what we descended for them and so that they think

Sourate 16 (THE BEES) 69.  Then eat all types of fruit, and follow the paths of your Lord, made easy for you.  Of within, goes out a liquor, of various colors, in which there is a cure for people.  There is really a fine proof in that for people who think. 

Sourate 13 (THE THUNDER) 3.  And it is Him who had spread the earth and placed there mountains and rivers.  And of every type of fruit he established there two elements of a couple.  He makes the night cover the day.  Here is a fine proof for people who think. 

Sourate 13 (THE THUNDER) 19.  The one who knows that what is revealed to you from your Lord is the truth, is he like a blind person?  Only the people gifted of intelligence think well

Sourate 45 (The kneeling) 13.  And he submitted to you all that is in the skies and on the earth, the all coming of Him.  Here is a fine proof for people who think.

Sourate 10 (JONAS) 24.  The present life is comparable to water that We descend from the sky and that mixes itself to the vegetation of the earth of which you nourish the men and the beasts.  Then when the earth takes its parure and embellishes itself, and that its inhabitants think that it is at their entire disposal, Our Order comes to it, of night or of day, it is then that We make it all harvested, as if it had not been flourishing the day before.  This is how we expose proofs for people who think

Sourate 39 (THE GROUPS) 42.  Allah receives the souls at the moment of their death as well as the ones who did not die during their sleep.  He keeps the ones to which he decreed the death, while he sends back the others until a fixed term.  There are certainly there proofs for people who think.

Sourate 59 (THE EXODUS) 21.  If We had descended this Quran on a mountain, you would have seen it humble itself and melt for fear of Allah.  And these words We quote them for people to think

Sourate 30 (THE ROMANS) 21.  And among His signs He created of you, for you, spouses so that you live in quietness with them and He put among you affection and goodness.  There are in that proofs for people who think. 

Sourate 38 (SAD) 29.  [Here] A blessed Book that We descended in your way, so that they meditate on its versets and that the ones gifted with intelligence think! 

Sourate 17 (THE NOCTURNAL VOYAGE) 41.  Very certainly We exposed [all this] in this Quran so that [the people] think.  But that does nothing but increase their repulsion

Sourate 11 (HUD) 114. And accomplish the Salat at the two ends of the day and at certain hours of the night. The good deeds dissipate the bad ones. That is a motivation for those who think.

Sourate 7 AL-ARAF 175. And tell them the story of the one we gave Our signs and who evaded from them. The Devil, then, took him in his group and he became among the lost ones. 176. And if We wanted, We would have eleviated him with these same instructions, but he inclined himself towards the earth and followed his own passion. He is like a dog that roars when you attack him, and that roars if you leave him as well. That is the example of the people who call Our signes lies. So, recite the story. Maybe they’ll think!

Sourate 54 (HE MOON) 13. And we carried it on an object [made with] wood and nails [the arc], 14. navigating in front of Our eye: a prize for the one that was abandoned [Noé]. 15. And We left it, like a sign [of warning]. Is there anyone who thinks?

Sourate 25 (THE DISCERNMENT) 62.And it is Him who assigned an alternancy to the night and day for anyone who wants to think about it or show his gratitude

Sourate 16 (THE BEES) 12.  For you, He submitted the day; the sun and the moon.  And to His order are submitted the stars.  There are well proofs for people who reason

Sourate 16 (THE BEES) 67.  From the fruits of the palm trees and vines, you withdraw an intoxicating drink and an excellent food.  There is really there a sign for people who reason

Sourate 30 (THE ROMANS) 24.  And among His signs He shows you the thunder with fear (of lightning) and hope (for rain), and descend from the sky a water with which He gives again the life to the earth after its death.  There are in that proofs for people who reason

Sourate 30 (THE ROMANS) 28.  He quoted you a symbol of yourselves: Have you associated your slaves to what We attributed to you in sort that you be all equal ones [in property rights] and that you fear them [as much as] you fear yourselves mutually?  This is how We expose Our verses for the people who reason

Sourate 8 (THE LOOT) 22.  The worse beasts for Allah, are [in truth], the ones that are deaf and mute that do not reason Sourate 10 (JONAS) 16.  Say: "If Allah had wanted, I would not have told it to you and He would not have made it known to you either.  I have been, before that, among you during a lifetime.  Don’t you reason?" 

Sourate 10 (JONAS) 100.  It does not belong at all to a soul to believe if it were not with Allah’s permission.  And He sends punishment to those who do not reason

Sourate 2 (THE COW) 164.  Of course the creation of the skies and earth, in the alternation of the night and day, in the vessel at sea loaded with profitable things to people, in the water that Allah descends from the sky, by which He returns the life to the once dead earth and sheds there beasts of all types, in the variation of the winds, and in the clouds submitted between the cky and the earth, in all that there are signs, for people who reason

Sourate 45 (THE KNEELER) 5.  In the same manner of the alternation of night and day, and in what Allah descends from the sky, as subsistence [rain] by which He gives again life to the once dead earth, and in the distribution of the winds, there are signs for people who reason

Sourate 57 (IRON) 17.  Know that Allah gives again life to the once dead earth.  Of course, We exposed to you the proofs clearly so that you reason

Sourate 40 (THE FORGIVING) 67.  It is Him who created from earth, then of a drop of sperme, then of an adherence then He got you out as a small child so that next you attained your maturity and next you became old, - some of you die earlier, - and so that you attain a fixed term, so that you reason

Sourate 2 (THE COW) 266.  Anyone of you would he like to see a garden of palms and of vines under which flow the streams, and that gives him all types of fruit, that the old age attain him, while his children are still small, and that a whirlwind containing fire hits his garden and burns it?  Thus Allah explains to you the signs so that you meditate! 

Sourate 2 (THE COW) 219.  They question you on wine and the chance games.  Say: "In both there is a big sin and some advantages for people; but in both, the sin is bigger than the usefulness".  And they question you: "What should we spend (in charity)?  " Say: " The surplus of your goods."  Thus, Allah explains you Its versets so that you meditate"

Sourate 38 (SAD) 29.  [Here is] a blessed Book that We descended towards you, so that they meditate on its verses and that the ones gifted with intelligence think! 

Sourate 4 (THE WOMEN) 82.  Don’t they meditate on the Quran?  If it originated of someone other than Allah, they would find of course many contradictions in it! 

Sourate 23 (THE BELEIVERS) 21. You have of course in the beasts, a meditation subject: We give you as drink what they have in the stomach, and you find there much usefulness as well; and you nourish yourselves from that 22. On them as well as on vessels you are transported

 

Coherence of available holly texts

Judaïsme

Bible: Two incompatible narrations of the genesis

Several contradictions in the books of the Jews

In the course of translation :

Contradiction in the books of the Jews:

2 Samuel 8:4(7 HUNDRED horsemen) and 1 Chronicles 18:4(7 THOUSAND horsemen)

1 Chronicles 21:12(THREE years famine) and 2 Samuel 24:13(SEVEN years famine)

Deuteronomy 2:19 & Deuteronomy 2:37(Moses deprived land of Ammon) and Joshua 13:24-25(Moses gives land of Ammon as inheritance)

2 Samuel 24:9(800,000+500,000) and 1 Chronicles 21:5(1,100,000+470,000)

2 Chronicles 36:9(EIGHT years, three months +10 days) and 2 Kings 24:8 (EIGHTEEN years, three months)

2 Samuel 10:18(700, 40,000 HORSEMEN) and 1 Chronicles 19:18(7000, 40,000 FOOTMEN)

1 Kings 7:26(TWO thousand baths) and 2 Chronicles 4:5(THREE thousand baths)

2 Samuel 6:23(Michal had NO children) and 2 Samuel 21:8(Michal had FIVE sons)

Genesis6:3(mankind shall not live past 120 years) and Genesis 11:10-32 (500,438,433,464,...etc.)

2 Chronicles 9:25(4,000 stalls) and 1 Kings 4:26(40,000 stalls)

Isaiah 40:28 (God does not FAINT nor WEARY) and Exodus 31:17 (God RESTED, and was REFRESHED.)

Genisis 1: (God creates Plants, THEN animals, THEN man and woman.) and Genesis 2: (God creates man, THEN plants, THEN animals, THEN woman)

Ezekiel 45 and Ezekiel 46 (DOCTRINES of offerings and sacrifices) and Numbers 28 and Numbers 29 (CONTRADICTORY DOCTRINES of

offerings and sacrifices)

1 Chronicles 8:29-38 (One list of NAMES) and 1 Chronicles 9:35-44 (A CONTRADICTORY list of NAMES)

2 Samuel 5 and 2 Samuel 6 (David brought the ark AFTER fighting the Philistines) and 1 Samuel 13 and 1 Samuel 14 (David brought the ark BEFORE fighting the Philistines)

Genesis 6:19-20 (Noah was to bring onto the ark "of EVERY living thing of all flesh, TWO of EVERY sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive ....male and female....of fowls....of cattle....of every creeping thing of the earth...") and Genesis 7:2-3 (Noah was to bring onto the ark "Of every CLEAN beast thou shalt take to thee by SEVENS, the male and his female: and of beasts that are NOT CLEAN by TWO, the male and his female.  Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female...").

2 Samuel 8:1 ("David took METHEGAMMAH out of the hand of the Philistines"). and 1 Chronicles 18:1 ("David...took GATH and her towns out of the hand of the Philistines").

2 Samuel 8:8 ("And from BETAH, and from BEROTHAI, cities of Hadadezer, king David took exceeding much brass"). and 1 Chronicles 18:8  ("Likewise from TIBHATH, and from CHUN, cities of Hadarezer, brought David very much brass").

2 Samuel 8:10  ("Then Toi sent JORAM his son unto king David") and 1 Chronicles 18:10  ("He sent HADORAM his son to king David")

2 Samuel 8:12  ("Of , and of , and of the children of Ammon, and of the Philistines, and of Amalek"). and 1 Chronicles 18:11 ("from , and from , and from the children of Ammon, and from the Philistines, and from Amalek.

2 Samuel 8:13  ("And David gat him a name when he returned from smiting of the SYRIANS in the valley of salt, being eighteen thousand men") and 1 Chronicles 18:13 ("And he put garrisons in ; and all the EDOMITES became David's servants").

2 Samuel 8:17  ("and SERAIAH was the scribe") and 1 Chronicles 18:16 ("and SHAVSHA was scribe")

1 Kings 15:33-16:6 ("In the THIRD year of Asa king of Judah began Baasha the son Ahijah to reign over all Israel in Tirzah, TWENTY FOUR years..... So Baasha slept with his fathers, and was BURIED in Tirzah"). 3+24=27. and 2 Chronicles 16:1  ("In the THIRTY SIXTH year of the reign of Asa, Baasha king of came up against ").  But he died in the twenty seventh year!.  Was he resurected?.  So how did he invade

10 years after his death?.

Ezra 2:6 (2812) and Nehemiah 7:11 (2818)

Ezra 2:8 (945) and Nehemiah 7:13 (845)

Ezra 2:12 (1222) and Nehemiah 7:17 (2322)

Ezra 2:15 (454) and Nehemiah 7:20 (655)

Ezra 2:19 (223) and Nehemiah 7:22 (328)

Ezra 2:28 (223) and Nehemiah 7:32 (123)

Christianity

Same as the previous paragraph

Many gospels rejected because they contradict the doctrine of the church: named apocryphic

Gospils of John and Matthiew: no ascension

Gospel of John: no baptism

Islam

No contradiction (sometimes some progressivism such as banning wine)

The religion mostly criticized by our media

Methodology : statistics on the last 100 messages yahoo and Google in french with the keywords Judaïsme, Christianity, Islam : counting of "benevolent", of "neutral" and of "malicious", and this was applied on several periods of 2005

Judaïsme

Very little

Christianisme

Moderately

Islam

A little too much

Examination of the holy writings in the light of modern scientific knowledge (the one established in a final manner)

INC: incompatible with modern science

CO: compatible

with modern science

Judaïsme

Earth and Univers:

INC: formation of univers (at the level of dates and succession of the steps)"

INC: the bat is a bird, while this is a mammal (Lévitique 11: 13). 

The rabbits and the hares are of the ruminating specie, while they are rodents (deutéronome 14:7)

INC: it is the sun that revolves around the earth, like in the miracles the most absurd that one can imagine where one sees Jehovah set back the sun ten degrees, to specify to whom has the right to increase his life by ten years: (Isaïe 38:8) I will bring back the sun and the shadow of the degrees brought down on the degrees of Achaz.  And the sun was brought back by ten degrees on the degrees where it had been brought down.  These passages have served mainly in the process Galileh to show the wrongness of the heliocentric theory

INC: the sun and the moon described as luminars

Man:

INC: Date of  appearance of man on earth

Genesis 1:27 God starts with the creation of the Earth, then the light, then the seas, then the vegetations then the stars and the Moon then the animals then the man and the woman.  The least we can say is that the editors were mistaken on the whole line: we know today that the stars were born (of which the sun) then the Earth and the Moon then the seas then the vegetations and the animals then the man.  The Genesis corresponds to the vision of the authors of the era but has nothing to do with the reality. 

Genesis 1:31 God created all that in 6 days! Some thousands of years ago (about 6000 according to the theologians).  This is very far away from reality. We know today that billion years were necessary to do that: first for the formation of the univers, then stars as the Sun, planets as the Earth then seas and oceans, the birth of life that has not stop complexifying (the fossils prove it) and at the end man. 

INC: universal Flood (position in time)

INC: Narrative of the exodus of Moses (chronology and events)

Animal species:

INC: Order of appearance of the earthly animals and birds INC: Reproduction in the vegetations before the existence of the sun

INC: vegetations appearing at the same time as man on earth (in the 2nd narrative)

Christianity

Terre et Univers :

INC: formation of univers (at the level of dates and succession of the steps)"

INC: the bat is a bird, while this is a mammal (Lévitique 11: 13). 

The rabbits and the hares are of the ruminating specie, while they are rodents (deutéronome 14:7)

INC: it is the sun that revolves around the earth, like in the miracles the most absurd that one can imagine where one sees Jehovah set back the sun ten degrees, to specify to whom has the right to increase his life by ten years: (Isaïe 38:8) I will bring back the sun and the shadow of the degrees brought down on the degrees of Achaz.  And the sun was brought back by ten degrees on the degrees where it had been brought down.  These passages have served mainly in the process Galileh to show the wrongness of the heliocentric theory

INC: the sun and the moon described as luminars

Man :

INC: Date of  appearance of man on earth

Genesis 1:27 God starts with the creation of the Earth, then the light, then the seas, then the vegetations then the stars and the Moon then the animals then the man and the woman.  The least we can say is that the editors were mistaken on the whole line: we know today that the stars were born (of which the sun) then the Earth and the Moon then the seas then the vegetations and the animals then the man.  The Genesis corresponds to the vision of the authors of the era but has nothing to do with the reality. 

Genesis 1:31 God created all that in 6 days! Some thousands of years ago (about 6000 according to the theologians).  This is very far away from reality. We know today that billion years were necessary to do that: first for the formation of the univers, then stars as the Sun, planets as the Earth then seas and oceans, the birth of life that has not stop complexifying (the fossils prove it) and at the end man. 

INC: universal Flood (position in time)

INC: Narrative of the exodus of Moses (chronology and events)

Animal species:

INC: Order of appearance of the earthly animals and birds INC: Reproduction in the vegetations before the existence of the sun

INC: vegetations appearing at the same time as man on earth (in the 2nd narrative)

Islam

CO : Cycle of water and oceans, inputs of modern hydrology

CO : Water of floods not mixing in the ocean at the access point of floods

CO : phenomena of bending of land of which results the stability of the terrestrial core  

CO : Geology : Disposition of mountains favorable for stability

CO : respiratory discomfort with altitude      

CO : Knowledge on atmospheric electricity

CO : Declaration of space conquer

CO : Astronomy : Formation and Expansion of the univers

CO : Evolution od the status of the sun and its movement towards an ultimate point (coordinates known nowadays: Solar Apex)

CO : Declaration of the extinction of the sun after a ceratin period 

CO : Multiplicity of the easts (points where the sun gets up) and wests (where it sets)

CO : Movement of the sun and moon in the space in a proper movement;    

CO : Existance of orbits for the sun and the moon

CO : The nearest sky is a protection (Ozone layer…)      

CO : Existance of interstellar bridges existing outside of the astronomical organized systems

CO : Gaseous predominance in the first stage of the universe

CO : intrication between the appearance of a star (sun) and of its satellite (earth)

CO : Process of condensation of the primitive nebulous then of separation  

CO : Declares that earths likes our could exist in the univers

CO : Creation of the skies and the earth: no successive order in in the creation of the skies and the earth

CO : The sun is a light and the moon is a clarity       

CO : The nesting of the egg in the female genital device

CO : Evolution of the embryo inside the uterus

CO : Fertilization with a very small volume of liquid

CO : Nature of fertilizing liquid

CO : Does not situate the flood in time

CO : Narrative of the exodus of Moses (chronology and events) and conservation of the momies

CO : Reflection concerning the bees, the spiders, the birds and their programming

CO : Origin of the constituents of animal milk then the transmition to the blood through the intestinal partition (and circulation of the blood)

CO : Aquatic origin of life (and water being the first constituant of every living cell) 

CO : Instinct that drives the animals to regroup together for reproduction purposes and to organize in communities

CO : Reproduction of vegetations and equilibrium existing in the vegetable world

CO : Vegetations appearing before  man on earth